randy carson– catholic answers forum -Lol Randy, love to twist words. Why do you accuse me of intentionally twisting your words? Do you think that I’m actually sitting at my keyboard trying to figure out how to misrepresent your views?

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patrick j miron — working4christtwo 4 dummies like you

patrick j miron—Self Defense–Patrick Miron August 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm My DEAR friend you’d be SHOCKED if I did not reply to your current post.

ok here we go

why is there hostility with catholic and every — other religious group–?? patrick j miron describes the reason

AND THE COUNSEL OF TRENT HAS ABOUT 125 REASONS WHY– THE PERVERTED CATHOLIC CHURCH CAN SPEAK CURSES OVER BIBLE BELIEVEING PEOPLE

Yes as patrick j miron demonstrates — you can quote scripture — and be deceived– even in the Catholic church

ceremony and tradition– are more important than the actual Holy Spirit- and his ministry

Gee why is their a lack of spiritual manifestation in the catholic mass?, the confirmation?, Orders ?, marrage? ETC—

BUT–YOU CAN GET A “WARM–AND FUZZY” FEELING IN CONFESSION!!!

but patrick j miron says — a warm a fuzzy feeling — dosen’t mean you are forgiven!!

5 thoughts on “Sola What?: Solus Christus”

My DEAR friend you’d be SHOCKED if I did not reply to your current post.

Wish I could honestly say that I am indeed “a gentle reader” of this post
Again what is missing is right understanding [full and true understanding]

MIX—MAKE BELIEVE COMMENTARY FACTS WITH YOUR OWN BELIEF

FACTS:

The CC is the Only Church and THE ONLY SET OF FAITH BELIEVES 1. TAUGHT 2. ACCEPTED 3. AND COMMANDED BY CHRIST TO HIS APOSTLES [AND THROUGH THEM TODAY’S CC] TO BE TAUGHT.

NOT TRUE

THE BIBLE NEVER-EVER SAYS ONE IS ENTITLED TO THERE OWN FAITH-VIEWS; IT DOES HOWEVER SAY TO “OBEY THE BIBLE”

NOT TRUE

Acts.5:[29]. “But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. [32] And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey him.” … Rom.10:[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” … 2Thes.1:[8] inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus

ONLY the Apostles are given the Command;NOT TRUE

the authority and the warranty and protection of Christ Himself to teach BECAUSE

they alone have the TRUTH [singular]NOT TRUE

promised from Christ Himself.

Matt.10: 1-8 “And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zeb’edee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [later changed in Mt 28 to the ENTIRE WORLD] And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay”
Matt.16 Verses 15 to 19 “He [Jesus] said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I[JESUS] will give you[Peter and through him the CC] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Matt.28 Verses 16 to 20 ” Now the eleven disciples[APOSTLES] went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

NOTABLELY SINGULAR AND ADDRESSED ONLY TO THE APOSTLES AND TODAY’S CC

NOT TRUE

The warranty of Christ also is exclusively to this same group and the same church ALONE
Luke.10: 21 “In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to babes; yea, Father, for such was thy gracious will”
John.14: 26 “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you”
John 20:19-23 “On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

JESUS HERE IS PRAYING IN HIS HUMAN NATURE TO GOD THE FATHER FOR THE APOSTLES AND HIS NEWLY FOUNDED CC

NOT TRUE  –HE WAS PRAYING TO ALL WHO WOULD BELIEVE IN HIM

John.17 Verses 15 to 19 ” I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth. As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
[19] And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth”
FACT:
All Seven Sacraments were and And are instituted by Christ Himself. OBVIOUSLY He does so with a purpose and for a reason; that REASON is that EACH Sacrament is a source and an opportunity of the GRACE humanity in an absolute sense needs to be saved.
Each sacrament has the God Given power to produce of itself when properly administered and receive to produce “the GRACE that it signifies”
For example the MOST Holy Eucharist [the Gift Of God the Father of God the Son by God the Holt Spirit] is THEE single most abundant fountain of GRACE available to “man”
John 6:41-46 “The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, `I have come down from heaven’?”
[43] Jesus answered them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[47] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
[50] This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him”

ND THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT TAKES PLACE IN CATHOLIC HOLY COMMUNION

NOT TRUE

GOD CANNOT LIE
GOD CANNOT DECEIVE
GOD IS PERFECT AND KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT HE MEANT AND IT WAS UNDERSTOOD BY
Mt. 26
Mk.14
Lk 22
Paul 1st. Cor. 11
I’ll continue in a seperate reply because of length
God Bless pat

working4christtwo it’s not a lie if you believe it

the faith in words and deeds. Witness is an act of justice that establishes the truth or makes it known.

All Christians by the example of their lives and the witness of their word, wherever they live, have an obligation to manifest the new man which they have put on in Baptism and to reveal the power of the Holy Spirit by whom they were strengthened at Confirmation.

(Catechism 2472)

  1. Put away falsehood –

Scripture bids us, Therefore, putting away falsehood, let every one speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another. (Eph 4:22-25)

So the Eighth Commandment upholds the goodness and beauty of the truth, exhorts us to celebrate it and instructs that we must avoid all sins against the truth. There are numerous ways that the we can sin against the truth. It will be fruitful for us to consider them each in turn, along with some distinctions.

III. False Witness

– Nothing can be so injurious to individuals as to harm their good name or reputation. Without a good reputation it becomes difficult for an individual to successfully relate to and interact with others whether it be for business or merely at a personal level.

Clearly, to bear false witness against someone is to harm their reputation and we are forbidden to do so.

In the technical sense, false witness is something which takes place in a court of law and since it is under oath it is also called perjury.

But it is also often the case that false witness is given in daily matters through lies, half truths, exaggeration, and the like.

Clearly our call to love the truth and to respect the reputation of others forbids us engaging in such activities.

Respect for the reputation of others also forbids us from:

  1. Rash judgement – assuming without sufficient foundation the moral fault of a neighbor
  2. Detraction – disclosing an other’s faults and failings without a valid reason to others who did not know them
  3. Calumny – imputing false defects to another with the knowledge that they are false.

Yet it is also possible to offend the truth by

  1. Inappropriately praising others
  2. By refusing to correct them when it is proper to do so.
  3. Flattery distorts the truth when it falsely attributes certain good qualities or talents to another. This is usually done to ingratiate oneself to individuals or for some other ulterior motive(s).

Such behavior becomes particularly sinful when it confirms another in malicious acts or sinful conduct.

  1. Lying

A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving…Lying is the most direct offense against the truth. 

To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead into error someone who has the right to know the truth.

By injuring man’s relation to truth and to his neighbor, a lie offends against the fundamental relation of man and of his word to the Lord…The Lord denounces lying as the work of the devil: “You are of your father the devil, . . . there is no truth in him….he is a liar and the father of lies.” [Jn 8:44]….

By its very nature, lying is to be condemned. It is a profanation of speech, whereas the purpose of speech is to communicate known truth to others. The deliberate intention of leading a neighbor into error by saying things contrary to the truth constitutes a failure in justice and charity…

A lie does real violence to another.

It affects his ability to know, which is a condition of every judgment and decision…Lying is destructive of society; it undermines trust…and tears apart the fabric of social relationships

. (Catechism 2482-2485)

Acts of lying are sins from which we must repent. Lying is also a sin that demands reparation. That is to say, since lying causes actual harm and real damage. These damages must be repaired. The actual truth must be made known to those who deserve to know it. The reputations of others which have been harmed by the lie must also be restored.

  1. Is lying always so evil?

The gravity of a lie is measured against the nature of the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims. (Catechism 2484). Thus there are big lies and smaller ones. Nevertheless, it is always wrong to intentionally lie.

This includes so called “polite lies.”

For example suppose a phone call comes in for someone in the household who has indicated a preference not to be disturbed just now.

It is a lie to say, “She is not here.” Yet you could say, “She is not available now.”

Other social situations are less simple! For example, if Mrs. Smith asks you, “Do you like my new hairstyle?” Suppose you do not. It is in fact wrong to say, “Yes, I like it.” Granted, we all feel a bit stuck in such situations! Perhaps we could answer truthfully but discreetly and say, “You look alright.” (Presuming that we do think so).

But wouldn’t it be nice if we actually felt secure enough either to indicate, charitably, our true feelings or to indicate our preference not to answer the question? Wouldn’t it be even nicer if our relationships with others were so based in sincerity and truth, that people both gave and expected honest answers? It is to this blessed state that the Lord points when he says,

Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ (Mt 5:37).

  1. What about secrets?

– This reflection has thus far emphasized the goodness and the splendor of the truth as well as the importance of communicating that truth to others who need it. However, as the Catechism states:

The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional..Fraternal love…requires us in concrete situations to judge whether or not it is appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.

The good and safety of others, respect for privacy, and the common good are sufficient reasons for being silent about what ought not be known or for making use of a discreet language.

The duty to avoid scandal often commands strict discretion. No one is bound to reveal the truth to someone who does not have the right to know it…Everyone should observe an appropriate reserve concerning persons’ private lives.

Those in charge of communications should maintain a fair balance between the requirements of the common good and respect for individual rights.

Interference by the media in the private lives of persons engaged in political or public activity is to be condemned to the extent that it infringes upon their privacy and freedom.

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(Catechism 2488, 2489, 2492)

However, the fact that we are permitted, even obliged, to keep certain secrets and maintain discretion, does not mean that we are free simply to lie. For example we cannot say, “I don’t know anything about that” if we do. Neither can we make up false answers to requested information. When we must decline to give information that is properly to be kept secret, we must still remain truthful. We might say instead, “I am not free to discuss this matter with you now.” Or, “It would be inappropriate for me to comment on that.” Or, “Why don’t you ask him yourself?” Occasionally we may need to be more direct and say, “This is a private matter and not for you to know.”

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Manifestations of the Holy Spirit

        Sharing God’s truth [singular] for the benefit of all

By Patrick Miron

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be uninformed.”

From time to time I hear from someone outside of the Catholic Church who ask “why do we not see evidence of the Holy Spirit [meaning most often “speaking in tongues”] in the Catholic Church? Cf. surely this is evidence that the Holy Spirit is with US; but not them.”

On the surface, this seems to be a reasonable questions, and a self-evident truth; but is there more; is there a hidden or at least concealed, a not-so evident truth that not everyone in enabled by that same Holy Spirit to see?  Speaking in tongues is often found in Catholic Charismatic groups, as one of their charisms.

1st Corinthians 12:

[1] Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be uninformed. [

While it my be good to question other faiths; lacking the total evidence of your claims, missing the BIG picture, can and will very often lead one to conclusions, that are not biblical, that are not factual and whose expression therefore hurts the Body of Christ here on earth. Amen! Look beyond the seemingly obvious

God Bless you,

Patrick

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    HOW TO WITHSTAND THE STORM
    JOHN BEVERE / MAY 14, 2015

    The entrance of Your word gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.
    Psalm 119:130 NKJV

    I have often told people to listen for God’s voice within my voice when I am preaching. Often we are so busy taking notes we only record everything said by the man or woman who is speaking. But mere head knowledge does not bring true understanding. Only God’s Word gives the light we need—and He wants to speak directly to us through it.

    When we possess only head knowledge, two things can happen: (1) we become easily susceptible to hype or emotionalism, or (2) we become bound by our intellects. There is a deeper and surer foundation available to us.

    When we listen to an anointed minister speak, or when we read a book or blog post, we should look for the words or phrases that explode in our spirits. This is the Word God is revealing to us. It conveys light and spiritual understanding. It is the entrance of His Word into our hearts, not our minds, that illuminates and clarifies.

    In Matthew 16:18, Jesus compares the revealed Word of God to a rock. This speaks of stability and strength. Recall the parable of the two houses in Matthew 7:24–27. One was built on rock and the other on sand. When storms of adversity beat against both houses, the one built on sand was destroyed while the house built on rock stood strong:

    …The rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. (Matthew 7:25 NKJV)

    What God reveals by His Spirit is our rock. It is the foundation of all we do. Without it we will be easily shaken by trials and tribulations.

    Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal His Word to you, and for the grace to heed it. If you choose to build your life on what He says, you can withstand any storm!

catholic answers and q?? Can the devil put thoughts in your mind?

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I have been having a lot of bad luck lately. My marriage seems to be under attack these days. For the past 3 years, I have had a very rocky marriage. To make a long story short, I found out my husband went to strip clubs behind my back and most likely got lap dances as well. From what I have learned, these lap dances provided a lot of physical touching and contact.

Back to my original question. Does the devil have the ability to put fear in your mind? For example. I already know my husband went to 3 strip clubs behind my back. I have proof. I have proof that he got one lap dance. I am trying to forgive and move forward, but it has been very difficult for me. The fear of the unknown creates doubt. My husband denied, denied, denied about the 3 strip clubs until I had evidence. Now trust is broken.

I keep getting these thoughts in my mind. For example… If my husband lied about this what else has he lied about? What if he went to 20 strip clubs? What if he had 20 lap dances? He is probably still lying to me. Are these thoughts from the devil? Could the devil be putting these thoughts in my mind to try to make me file for divorce?

We fight all the time. I keep asking him if he has told me the entire truth. He insists he has. I have a feeling that he is still lying. I can’t tell if this feeling is from my gut, or that it is coming from fear.

I know the devil can tempt people to sin. Can the devil sabotage a marriage? Can the devil create obstacles to cause married couples to fight? Can the devil cause married couples to fight?

I am beginning to think that there is a dark element that is trying to break up my marriage by putting fear into my mind which stops me from forgiving my husband and moving forward.

What are your thoughts?

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Well the doubts you’re feeling are just human about your husband you have a right to be suspicious. Anyway you guys should bring this up to a priest or a marriage counselor. God is basically right now testing the faithfulness of your marriage. In some ways it should be a blessing, other ways like this where your husband is falling into sin, not so much. Remember to read the bible and pray, don’t forget those two things, god knows you so much better than I do, he will tell you what to do next.

You will get through this, just turn to God.

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Didn’t this get covered pretty thoroughly in your last thread about it?
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=932258

I think if you are still conflicted, getting him to go with you to counseling through the Church may help. If he refuses, I don’t know what else you can do.

Prayers for healing.

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“Coming from the gut” and “coming from fear” are much the same thing, and neither have much necessary connection with spiritual activity.

As best as I understand, the spirits neither read nor “write into” our mind, but they can tweak our emotions and reactions in order to mess up our life or get us to sin or both.

I’d say see a priest, don’t worry too much about where your feelings come from.

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If my husband lied about this what else has he lied about? Are these thoughts from the devil? Could the devil be putting these thoughts in my mind to try to make me file for divorce?

We fight all the time.

Can the devil sabotage a marriage?

I am beginning to think that there is a dark element that is trying to break up my marriage

What are your thoughts?

There is a dark element at work here, and it’s your husband. Yes, the devil can influence people and the wicked ones thrive on chaos in a family, but your husband is the problem here. Don’t put all the blame on the devil because that’s a red herring taking your attention away from the true problem. Your instincts are normal. You don’t trust your husband because he has proven himself untrustworthy. Your husband needs to admit he has a problem with lying, for one thing. And going to strip clubs. He might be viewing porn also. You are both going to need counselling if your marriage is to survive.

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I have been having a lot of bad luck lately. My marriage seems to be under attack these days. For the past 3 years, I have had a very rocky marriage. To make a long story short, I found out my husband went to strip clubs behind my back and most likely got lap dances as well. From what I have learned, these lap dances provided a lot of physical touching and contact.

Back to my original question. Does the devil have the ability to put fear in your mind? For example. I already know my husband went to 3 strip clubs behind my back. I have proof. I have proof that he got one lap dance. I am trying to forgive and move forward, but it has been very difficult for me. The fear of the unknown creates doubt. My husband denied, denied, denied about the 3 strip clubs until I had evidence. Now trust is broken.

I keep getting these thoughts in my mind. For example… If my husband lied about this what else has he lied about? What if he went to 20 strip clubs? What if he had 20 lap dances? He is probably still lying to me. Are these thoughts from the devil? Could the devil be putting these thoughts in my mind to try to make me file for divorce?

We fight all the time. I keep asking him if he has told me the entire truth. He insists he has. I have a feeling that he is still lying. I can’t tell if this feeling is from my gut, or that it is coming from fear.

I know the devil can tempt people to sin. Can the devil sabotage a marriage? Can the devil create obstacles to cause married couples to fight? Can the devil cause married couples to fight?

I am beginning to think that there is a dark element that is trying to break up my marriage by putting fear into my mind which stops me from forgiving my husband and moving forward.

What are your thoughts?

I don’t think it’s the devil putting thoughts into your head. I would be asking the same questions.

Pray and ask God to expose what he is really doing.
I know it must be difficult but try to rest in God once you have given this issue to Him in prayer. Leave your husband to God. He knows the best way to handle this.

Your husband has been tempted in the weakest area of a man’s life. Pray for him. Ask God to help him resist this temptation. To ask God for forgiveness.

I have had marriage problems that seemed impossible to overcome. But as our Pastor told us, with God nothing is impossible.

If you keep questioning and arguing, it will create a rift between you both that will get worse as you try to resolve this issue that way.

You need good, Godly or sensable counselling. I have been to counsellors who say, end it. Worse advise ever. This is where you both need to work through this issue. Divorce may seem the best course, but reconciliation will strengthen your marriage.

I have been seeing a great psychologist who was instrumental in salvaging our marriage. I don’t know where you live but I will give you his details.

Ben Jackson
Mobile 0410 144 634
Email: ben@nextdoorpsych.com.au

He is a Medicare provider.

Pray for your husband and speak to him with the love of Christ. Love covers a multitude of sins and will get better results than quarreling. What he has or may still be doing is not something you can tolerate forever but if you deal with this issue with wisdom and love, you have a better chance of recovering and strengthening your marriage.

I will keep you in my prayers.
Carmen


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How then does this support PURGATORY? Doesn’t mortal sin send people to hell?

#7  Karen Elliott – Waxahachie, TEXAS, Texas

Verses 3 and 5 make clear that this commandment is not simply condemning making statues; It is condemning making gods that you bow down to or serve. In a word, this first commandment forbids idolatry, i.e., the worship of anything or anyone other than God. The Catholic Church condemns this as well.
wor·ship (wûrshp)
n.
1.
a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.

b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.

2. Ardent devotion; adoration.

3. often Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.

v.wor·shiped or wor·shipped, wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping, wor·ships

v.tr.
1. To honor and love as a deity.

2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere1.

v.intr.
1. To participate in religious rites of worship.

2. To perform an act of worship.
So tell me Catholics do not worship Saints or Mary and you just lied.

January 12, 2014 at 12:36 pm PST
#8  Karen Elliott – Waxahachie, TEXAS, Texas

January 12, 2014 at 4:03 pm PST
#9  Karen Elliott – Waxahachie, TEXAS, Texas

2 Maccabees 12:39 On the next day, as by that time it had become necessary, Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen and to bring them back to lie with their kinsmen in the sepulchres of their fathers. 40 Then under the tunic of every one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was why these men had fallen. 41 So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; 42 and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out. And the noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. 43 He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. 44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.
Seems to me these men died in the mortal sin of idolitry…
How then does this support PURGATORY? Doesn’t mortal sin send people to hell?

January 13, 2014 at 6:17 am PST
#10  Tim Staples – El Cajon, California – Catholic Answers Blogger

Karen,
Most likely, keeping these little amulets under their cloaks was more akin to the superstition of a baseball player keeping a rabbit’s foot in his pocket than it would be to the mortal sin of idolatry. But even if these men did commit some that was grave matter, “[God] alone know the hearts of the children of men” (II Chr. 6:30). God alone knows the level of each man’s culpability, so God alone knows whether that level of culpability was actually mortal. Moreover, some of these could have repented before they died. However you slice it, we Catholics (and evidently the Jews as well) believe that we always pray for folks who have died no matter what the outward appearance may be because God’s grace can penetrate the darkness, no matter how dark it may be, and bring repentance where there needs to be repentance, and healing where healing is possible.

January 18, 2014 at 7:28 am PST
#11  Christopher Travis – Huntsville, Alabama

I am a bit confused as to what a Protestant believes is a “graven image.” Does this mean we as Catholics can not portray Christ in any pictures or statues? Is it false worship if we do? I would especially like to hear a brief answer from a Protestant minister or any Protestant who is familar with and may be able to answer this question.

March 2, 2014 at 5:49 am PST

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  1. The Three (delusional ) Infallible rules for RIGHT understanding of the bible–

    what I shared was NOT mere personal opinion;

    it’s what God wanted you to know.

    FEBRUARY 3, 2015 LEAVE A COMMENTEDIT

    Originally Posted by originallyasin View Post

    it is easy to “quote scripture” and be righteous like the Pharisees and sadjusties –

    The Three (delusional ) Infallible rules for RIGHT understanding of the bible–what I

    shared was NOT mere personal opinion; it’s what God wanted you to know.

    ]=House Harkonnen;12001878]There is only one church, the body of Christ.All

    believers are part of it.

    My particular denomination is an outward visible element of the church, as is yours

    and every denomination.

    REALLY, and you found that in the bible somwhere? The Catholic church existed for

    1,500 YEARS before Luther choose like you to leave the CC. And where in the bible

    does God even one time approve of COMPETING religions

    Heb 6: 4-7

    May I suggest you read Heb 6: 4-7 It weas written about 1,400 years before Luther

    and aimed at those who choose for whatever reason to leavve the ONLY Church; God

    and Faith that is God approved. This friend is not MY opinion, its what the Bible

    teaches. Amen.

    For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly

    gift, [Christ Himself in Catholic Holy Communion] and were made partakers of the Holy

    Ghost, [Have chosen to be Confirmed into the Catholic Faith] Have moreover tasted

    the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [Have BEEN Rightly

    instructed in the Faith] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance,

    crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.

    “IMPOSSIBLE” here means UNLESS one repents and converts. Friend you not only

    gave up Catholicism; you actually gave UP GOD!

    May He have mercy and guide to back to His singular truth.

    Patrick

    Not ONLY in “ggod faith” BUT Biblically grounded.

    Provide EVIDENCE my friend, of where I/m wrong here

    God Bless you, what I shared was NOT mere personal opinion; it’s what God wanted you to know.

    porterrobinson

    Sochi];12024204]Patrick, “friendly” is no cure for avoidance, especially as I have not

    changed the topic, but as usual, you decline to deal with it by using the strategy of

    avoiding the admission of any perspective other than the one you learned. It is difficult

    to carry on a rea sonable dialog with someone who won’t even admit consensus

    agreements on historical data. It’s in your court, Patrick.

    Truth my friend is, as it must be per defined issue, singular.

    What I share is God’s singular truth as is my duty.

    God Bless you,

    Patrick

    Should I go with PJM or John Paul II and Benedict XVI for authentic Catholic teachin ??
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    Well, that’s one guy’s opinion, or way of putting it.

    I don’t like the notion either….and was glad to find that it isn’t church teaching…at

    least not put in such an arrogant fashion. It’s one thing to say that we think catholicism

    offers the fullness of faith…quite another to say we’re the ‘one true church’.

    In fact, the idea that used to be attributed to catholics that there was ‘no salvation for

    anyone else’ was what kept me from converting sooner, and would have kept me from

    converting altogether, had it persisted and been backed by the Church. Glad it got
    corrected at Vatican II.

    Well, just “one guy’s opinion?” I hardly think so. I could get a few football squads like

    him just in a few blocks around here. And whatever the Church teaches, which as far

    as I can tell is far less adamantine than the insistences of some on here, it is the

    attitude of many posters, other considerations, however sincere and valid, be damned.

    And as I have pointed out, many of the arguments presented by some Catholics on

    here I wouldn’t have dared to use at the height of my fervor for the Church, because

    they are counterproductive, off-putting, and in a few cases, just not so or definitely

    faulty. I feel for those people and for the Church they, in my opinion, misrepresent, as

    if infallibility wasn’t just for the Pope under special circumstances.

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